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Please note that the included full text is of the draft resolution taken on 12 August. When the adopted draft has been reformatted and re-published by the UN as a proper resolution, that text should be added to all the existing UN resolutions in Wikisource, and the current text should be replaced by a link to that text. Thomas Blomberg 17:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of resolutions is @ wikisource:Wikisource:UN Security Council Resolutions, so this particular resolution should be located at wikisource:UN Security Council Resolution/1701, then we can use the template on the right in the article. jaco♫plane 20:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it's a draft doesn't mean it belongs here and not in Wikisource. — Timwi 23:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is there three links to the resolution 1701 draft? The links are identical. Michagal 07:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. — Timwi 09:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The link to resolution 1701 is broken. Quinty 15 August 2006

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"Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.221.8 (talk • contribs)

Fair use is possible here, but please exercise good judgement with regard to the amount of others' work. Fair use is prohibited at Wikisource due to virtual impossibility to have valid claims.--Jusjih 13:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two Israeli soldiers captured by Hizbollah

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Please add something about the fact that the resolution doesn't force any actions concerning the two Israeli soldiers captured by Hizbollah at the beggining of the conflict. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M vitaly (talk • contribs)

It is original research for us to make that connection (and thus not allowed) but if a reliable source claims a noteable person said something to that effect, including it would be allowed. WAS 4.250 19:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uh? No? The resolution is written right there. It would not be original research to say such, it would be republication of a confirmed fact from a reliable source. In fact, I think I'll add it in right now.⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 16:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight

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I think undue weight is given in the article concerning Hizbollah, but since they started this latest tiff, maybe I'm wrong about that. WAS 4.250 19:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that as it unravels you may see that if anything perhaps not enough has been said about Hizbollah. Just my thought. --Epeefleche 22:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Attacks on last day

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I think the 32 Israeli soldiers (not sure about that number, though) were killed in the last *2* days, not one. And if this is mentioned, it should also include how many Hizballah men were killed (something like 50-80 according to IDF). Perhaps I'll look for that info later, but if someone already knows... Also, the 250 rockets may have been from a day earlier. 88.154.223.21 21:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I agree, the facts seem to be contorted. Further, this section (specifically the second paragraph regarding deaths) does not adhere to NPOV and remains unbalanced in an attempt to provoke pathos from the reader.
1 - There are no sources cited for the last few statements. Except for medics-- the same professionals Anderson Cooper cited in his blog about two weeks ago for their use of propaganda.
2 - Lack of parallel syntax. For example, "at least nine Lebanese civilians died in one of the strikes," .vs.. "killed one person in Israel." Why not, "Nine people died in Lebanon," or, "at least one Israeli civilians died in one of the strikes"? The use of "at least", "civilians", and "one of the strikes", are examples of unnecessary use of pathos.
3 - Following the line of parallel syntax (or lack thereof), the article does not mention Hezbollah-militant deaths.
4 - The syntax and diction of the description of Hezbollah’s fighting ("forces fought the fiercest engagements of the conflict, killing 32 Israeli soldiers") attempt to heroize its efforts. In complete disregard to neutrality, the sentence highlights the death of 32 people as victories. If this sentence remains, at least put an exclamation mark at the end of it.
I hope that you contribute to this article and respond.--User:Stoopideggs2 14:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The systemic bias of the media is reflected here because we need reliable sources. 2: The person killed in Israel was most likely civilian, but we need a source for that. As for the medics, what they mean by dead civilians is probably people not wearing uniforms when they received help. Since most Hezballah fighters don't wear uniforms when fighting (only when parading), it's hard to distinguish between non-combattants and combattants wearing civilian attire. 3: Say that Hezballah did not release any casualty figures. 4: Here, just state how many Israeli soldiers were actually killed (by combining information from Israel and Hezballah). "Fiercest fighting" could perhaps be removed. --GunnarRene 14:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
1 - Is occupation ("...Israel expanded its occupation...") the correct word to use, in context? (Rhetorical question). Regardless of the imagery that allusions to "expansion" and "occupation" evoke, this segment of the sentence is redundant because the previous sentence already states that Israel "...Did not cease offensive actions..." More appropriate and neutral, and less vague would be something along the lines of, "...Israel continued its military advances into southern Lebanon..."
Or, "Israel intensified its military operations into..." is better.--192.193.221.144 13:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
2 - The first two sentences transition from Aug 13 to Aug 14 (at 0800, no less) to Aug 13 to Aug 14 (at 0745, no more). If this confines to the accepted formatting, then fine by me.
3 - Back to parallel syntax and diction, I do not understand why the initial paragraph indicates that the "Lebanese cabinet voted unanimously," while conversely, "The Israeli government accepted." This should be fixed.
4 - I will correct the comma splice in the first sentence of the second full paragraph. ("The Israeli...into effect.").
5 - Citations remain desperately unaccounted for.
The consistent implementation of underlying pathos and rhetorical aberrations require an administrator's review. --Stoopideggs2 02:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why is there any mention of the hostilities on the last day anyway? This is an article about Res 1701, not about the crisis/war/whatever. I suggest that virtually all the items in dispute in this section are extraneous to the article. "The ceasefire came into effect at 8am local time on August 14." Why is any of the other information relevant? JiHymas@himivest.com 21:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do not oppose your suggestion. --stoopideggs2 17:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Violation

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The cease-fire has just been violated, where do we put that. --Deenoe 14:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should wait for the news to develop more so we can get a complete look at the backlash from the parties of the ceasefire, as well as the reaction from the media and the pundits. In brief, I think we just need to see how it plays out the next couple days then really delve into the topic. Until then, a brief statement could be put in the intro and another applicable area. ~ clearthought 20:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Lebanese government is demanding that the UN address Israel's commando raid, stating that it is a violation of the ceasefire. They also threatened to stop sending into southern Lebanon. Sounds important. Triumph's Hour 04:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We could certainly have a section devoted to (claims of) ceasefire violations, but I suspect that it will become extremely long in short order. JiHymas@himivest.com 17:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- There is a problem here. The article goes "Two days later, fifteen Lebanese civilians from Kfar Shuba, carrying Lebanese and Hizbullah flags, crossed into the Israeli occupied Shebaa Farms. The IDF took no action to the provocation, but stressed that it was a violation of Resolution 1701. The United Nations confirmed that Hezbollah violated the resolution and that the group is rearming." - Thing is, since Israel is illegally occupying the Shebaa farms, that are generally considered Lebanese (or Syrian), it was the Israelis who violated the resolution by continued occupation; not the 15 Lebanese civilians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schlätzmeister (talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the "background" larger than the rest of the article?

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Can someone break it up into appropriate sections? --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 06:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A better alternative would be massive cuts. This article is way too long. JiHymas@himivest.com 19:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I'm going to start trimming away at it. --GHcool 02:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone please decide on the spelling for Hezbollah

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Someone with knowledge on the right spelling please correct it. In the latest articles it is spelled in a myriad of ways which is inappropriate for a source of reliable information.

There's no correct spelling, since it's a transliteration from the Arabic. I suspect that each user has his favoured spelling, based on the style manual at his favoured source. The "official" Wikipedia spelling would be "Hezbollah", I guess, since that's the title of their article, but I'm sure there will be some who dispute this. I have no problems with various alternative spellings. JiHymas@himivest.com 17:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Full Text

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I suggest that the full text of the resolution be deleted. Anybody who wants to read it can simply click one of several links. JiHymas@himivest.com 19:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what is this?

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Some joker added Austria-Hungary and East Germany to the nations potentially sending troops... seems to be a couple of years retarted!

Troops

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France is boosting their contingent to 2000 troops from 200 due to national and international political pressure. ralian 07:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Background--

I think that we should move this section towards the end ... thoughts? --Epeefleche 05:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Debatus link?

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I established a wiki calle Debatus - www.debatus.com - "for refining and structuring argumentation and debate". There is a substantial debate article on the site on UN Resolution 1701 - "Is UN SC Resolution 1701 and the ceasefire it brokers between Hezbollah and Israel likely to succeed in its objectives? (was it reasonable)?" I was not able to make the "external link" to the site myself on the UN SC Res 1701 page because I created Debatus, which makes sense. I think that this link should be posted by someone else, though, because the merits of the content on this subject are very high on the site, and it is a natural extension of Wikipedia's mission over to argumentation and debate. What does everyone else think? Could a concensus be built for someone to make that "external link"? Brooks Lindsay 22:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UNIFIL II

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It seems that the term UNIFIL II is widespread used in the press, but I miss that as an official term within the UN (or, so far, haven't found a source). --213.155.224.232 17:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

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In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

  • "wikisource1701" :
    • [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701]
    • [[s:UN Security Council Resolution/1701|UN Security Council Resolution/1701]]
  • "CNN-08-12" :
    • {{cite news|title=Security Council passes proposal to end Mideast conflict|date=[[2006-08-12]]|publisher=CNN|url=http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/12/mideast.main/index.html}}
    • {{cite news|title=Hezbollah leader agrees to cease-fire, with reservations|date=[[2006-08-12]]|publisher=CNN|url=http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/12/mideast.main/index.html}}

DumZiBoT (talk) 07:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed these. --Otus scops (talk) 14:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm actively checking and fixing links at the moment - I'd appreciate it if people didn't update this page for an hour or so. (It's not the end of the world if you do - just more work for me.) Finished. --Otus scops (talk) 14:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200701/kt2007011518124268040.htm "350 S. Korean Troops to Keep Peace in Lebanon"

I can't find it in archive.org or webcite.

The KT archive is currently not working (2014-04-19), but might be fixed - this would be the preferable option. http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/search/search_main.asp

Less good, but possibly acceptable, the text appears to be here: http://www.10452lccc.com/daily%20news%20bulletin/january.english16.07.htm (archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20071011073850/http://10452lccc.com/daily%20news%20bulletin/january.english16.07.htm)

--Otus scops (talk) 10:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to Aftermath section

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I have removed the propaganda image from the IDF Flickr account, and updated the information based on the 2015 report here. Please try to find something neutral to add, and if you can't find it, try to find something which addresses both sides. The propaganda image is simply talking about Lebanese (not Hezbollah's - that is silly - the responsibility lies with govt. of Lebanon) violations. As the UN report notes, there are almost daily violations of Lebanese airspace by Israeli flights. Kindly have some respect for WP:NPOV and not add such propaganda willy-nilly. Especially pictures, which are worth a thousand words, proverbially. Kingsindian ♝♚ 14:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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In the section, Alleged Lebanese violations, Kfar Shuba to village has an article Kfarchouba. UniSail2 (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

​ I have created a redirect from Kfar Shuba to Kfarchouba. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Events

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During the recent events in southern Lebanon, Israel allegedly violated 1701 by bombing areas near the border and should be noted in both Alleged Israeli violations Hezbollah violations area.

President Aoun: Israel’s use of its air force to target Lebanese villages is the first of its kind since 2006 and indicates the presence of escalating aggressive intentions that coincide with the continuous threats against Lebanon and its sovereignty. What happened is a flagrant and dangerous violation of Security Council Resolution 1701 and a direct threat to security and stability in the south.

Saad Hariri: The situation on the border with the Israeli enemy is very, very dangerous and an unprecedented threat to Resolution 1701 Using the south as a platform for regional conflicts with uncalculated results and repercussions is a step into the unknown that puts all of Lebanon in the crosshairs of the wars of others on its land.

Israel uses drones daily in lebanese sovereign territories and I think that should also be noted in the Alleged Israeli violations area. Prodrummer619 (talk) 20:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2024

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In the Hezbollah subsection under Disarmament of armed groups in Lebanon, should the hyperlink to United Nations Secretary-General and Kofi Annan be in the third paragraph where Annan is first mentioned instead of the fifth paragraph. Mrprotest (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Also reworded a bit to avoid MOS:SEAOFBLUE. Liu1126 (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 September 2024

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  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):
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    Lebanon accuses Israel of not fully withdrawing from Lebanese territories, which is contradicted by the UN, and violating air and seaspace, which is an often occurrence.
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  • Why it should be changed: The statement contains an accusation of "violating air and seaspace ... often ..." though contains no references.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Zeeeditor (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

 Not done: The sentence is a summary of the first paragraph in the "Alleged Israeli violations" subsection, which itself is supported by the Haaretz citation. Not repeating the citation in the lead is acceptable per MOS:LEAD. Liu1126 (talk) 02:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I should also note that this sentence appears to have changed since this request has been made, removing the "which is contradicted by the UN" part, which should have been removed as it is unsupported by the main text. The rest of the sentence still stands as above. Liu1126 (talk) 02:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The hyperlink to Eli Cohen, Israel's foreign minister, in the section "Later Developments" incorrectly directs to the spy of the same name. RayaanChawla (talk) 18:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for reporting. Zerotalk 08:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference needed

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First section, third paragraph, final sentence includes statement "which is contradicted by the UN". This needs a reference. Kombo the mzungu (talk) 08:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The UN resolution report has a dead link. there is an active location here. https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/582860?v=pdf. I also wanted to note that the specific of the paragraph preceding states that

"Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace continued almost daily with unmanned aerial vehicles, and often with fixed-wing aircraft, including fighter jets".

While this is quoted in the article However this seems to be intentionally removed from context as the paragraph its taken from seems to indicate that "Since my previous report of 18 August (S/2006/670), the parties have largely

complied with the cessation of hostilities. " I think additional context or commentary from the report should be added here. From the report the quote is from section III sub heading A paragraph 12. 2601:195:C603:7460:DC34:F0E7:99B8:F4E5 (talk) 22:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It states that Israel left all occupied Lebanese territories. What about the Sheba Farms? 2001:1C05:2716:D800:748C:ACD5:D9A8:DC8E (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bowler the Carmine | talk 23:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

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Third paragraph of the lede says “ Hezbollah and other armed groups in southern Lebanon have not.” without stating what they have not done. I believe this is supposed to say they have not disarmed or moved their forces back. Lavipao (talk) 01:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lavipao These were recently added by @Onceinawhile. I reverted them as they had poor grammar and additionallly where unsourced. The three edits reverted. Ergzay (talk) 10:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed this, and added a source. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged Hezbollah violations

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The penultimate para cites "Approx. 300,000 Israeli civilians have been internally displaced and forced to flee south". This is disputed and no reference has been offered. It is widely acknowledged as being nearer 70,000. 78.148.32.24 (talk) 17:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong bias

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Assuming good faith on part of the individuals, the article and also Talk is heavily biased, which is presumably due to the dominance of racist, colonialist/imperialst narratives:

The sizes of the Alleged Violations sections are a visually immediate example, as is the mention of Israeli displacement but not the displacement of Lebanese and Palestinians.

There is also a heavy bias in the sourcing, mostly being mainstream North European, American and Israeli, uncritical reporting. THere is one reference to Aljazeera and none to Almayadeen, though the vast majority of reports on Palestinian and Lebanese non-fighting victims, including daily, round the clock videos updates and counts, come from there, as well as the auto-representative and contextual picture of the resistance. Neither is there reference to ethically-critical Western media, academic journals nor even Israeli media that generally exhibit more objectivity in their analyses and less bias in their representations.

In the last section there is no mention that the Lebanese resistance "fired rockets" in response to and after the initiation of the bombing of Gaza, instead modifying with routinely, seemingly implying unprovoked aggression on the part Hezbollah, and patience on the Israeli side. Expressed motivations, even if disbelieved, are a part of the event, which mainstream media typically does not mention in their narratives (never mentioning motivations for an attack, even when expressed, let alone by offering analyses, deferring instead to empty, generic attributions to faith and extremism, or projecting Western racism, like anti-semitism, upon the attackers. This despite many Western academics and journalists having made such readily available. They also do not mention the decades-long aggressive, expansionist and disenfranchising actions - violent, economic and admisitrative- by the Israeli state and its citizens leading up to 7th Oct.).

The last section also omits mentioning Israeli attacks on targets not affiliated with Hezbollah, including cities, schools, hospitals, the regular Lebanese army, civic officials (two mayors so far?), Palestinian refugees and the UNIFIL forces. 2A02:908:2811:8F80:4CAE:F533:BF29:BE57 (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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